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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by Iris » Tue 21st Jul 2020

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Happy belated weekend, this was a beast of a chapter :lol: Everybody hanging in there, or does anybody want us to wait a bit?
Chapter length was fine, I actually did the reading right on schedule. But taking notes continues to be a challenge, so I always end up having to read twice :lol: Once just reading and getting into the story and once for analysis. I didn't get around to the second reading last week, so I'll just comment on the thoughts posted here so I'm on schedule again.
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It makes sense to me now that I know this was meant to be the last book - and even then, it was said in the epilogue (I think) that Artemis would use Juliet if needed for protection
I didn't know this was meant to be the last book either. Maybe Eoin intentionally left it vague? By both mention his age and that he'll live longer, he leaves open the option for Butler to be fit and participate in a next book after all.
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Artemis's immediate reaction to someone he cares about being in danger now seems to be "get Holly." It'll be interesting to see what that translates to once it's Holly herself in trouble.
True. If I had a friend with magical powers, I'd probably be very tempted to ask their help for every emergency too. But, after realizing nothing can be so convenient without a price, his reaction should change anyway.
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A fairly common concept for magic in media is that it comes with a price, usually in a spiritual sense. Here, the theory is that the magic inspires a positivity. Based off this, do you think Artemis's eventual turn from Dark to Light was inspired or caused by his various encounters with fairy magic? Being healed and even wielding it?
I really like this theory! I believe meeting the fairies led to his change but always thought of it as Holly and co encouraging him to be a better person. The idea of being exposed to their magic having a part to play is really interesting, I think it is definitely possible!
I personally think Artemis is wrong about this one. Like artymon said, there's no other evidence of anyone changing their whole personality based on magic. I get the impression that Artemis has such an entrenched idea of who his father is that nothing worldly could possibly change that, when in truth his father had just been through a year of horrible conditions brought upon him directly because of the kind of person he was. Angeline tells him that this is the way Artemis Sr. used to be, maybe going through so much trauma reminded him of what's important.

So I don't think Artemis Jr.'s change was because of magic, either - at least not in a literal sense. Metaphorically speaking, I suppose it definitely was fairy magic that brought him around. Meaning, I do think it was mostly because of Holly's encouragement and example :)
Interesting topic that definitely sparks some discussion! I don't think Artemis Jr. changed because of magic. He has shown to have a bit of a conscious from the start and having role models and friends allow that to grow.
For Artemis Sr, however, I think Artemis might have a point in fairy magic having played a part. I don't think they'd magically cure somone's bad personality, but we've seen here that magic can restore mental illnesses (as shown with Artemis' mother). We've also seen that magic can do slightly more than heal the injury or disease itself (shown in this chapter by the increased lifespan). And I think with Artemis' mother, somewhere it was written that because of the time stop, the remaining magic would make anyone in that spot feel a little extra cheery? Artemis Sr. had been through a coma and some pretty horrible conditions, as Battery pointed out. What if there had been brain damage or mental trauma and the healing did slightly more than just restore that, causing him to regress to a personality he had years before? Makes one wonder if fairy magic could cure diseases like dementia.
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by artymon I\/ » Sun 26th Jul 2020

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Chapter 4: Running in the Family

I didn't have any notes for this chapter - just another distracted rant.

In chapter 3, we learn Butler is 40 years old and here we learn Juliet is 18. Quite an age gap! 22 years.
This naturally sets my mind ablaze with questions like...
Are Domovoi's parents the same as Juliet's? Perhaps they're only half siblings? It's certainly possible they have the same parents, for me it just seems like a fairly substantial age difference. Not what I would call common.
Are their parents still alive? They're never mentioned, in fact, relatively little is known about the Butler family tree beyond Juliet, Domovoi, and an Uncle "Major"

The takeaway could be Juliet was an accident/unintentional and the parents died shortly afterwards as Domovoi is said to have escorted her from kindergarten to the Fowl's at the age of four.

I'll even venture that perhaps Juliet's birth was complicated and their mother did not survive the childbirth. Afterward, perhaps the grief of losing his wife(?) was to much for Papa Butler and he either left (unlikely) or fell ill shortly afterward and died?

Or perhaps Butler and Juliet are just test tube clone babies.

What's your guys' take?

Chapter 5: The Metal Man and the Monkey

This sounds like an obscure nursery rhyme.
No rants, but there are a few notes.
  • I have a note about a guest house, but I've no idear how or what it was meant to convey/relate to.
  • Can we infer from the Pearson interaction that Spiro cares just marginally about his employees? Or that he recognizes the value of a good employee and keeping his respective business, namely legal and illegal, separate?
  • Poor Loafers should have tried the Belfast charter of Sons of Anarchy :lol:
  • Yeah-no, scratch that. What a jerk. It's surprising he's lasted this long with his attitude without being offed. I doubt he's even Made. Big mouth like his? He'd be gone, efficient metal man or not.
  • Also, isn't the stereotype that Italians and Irish aren't supposed to get along, much less be engaged in the same criminal family?
  • I kind of like Carla a bit. Black suit efficiency and no BS'ing. She brushes a bug off her like whatever, thinking she's seen/done worse in her 25 years. Can we has a dark crime prequel spinoff with her?
  • Hm....think we found another difference. In my OG Yankee copy, I distinctly recall Mulch making the joke he'd be selling cookies for Girl Scouts. Here, he says Girl Guides. ??????????
  • (Go Mulch for character development! :D )

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Ok, so here are my thoughts on chapter 3:
  • Is a bullet clipping someone's temple realistic? I mean I know most of this book is not realistic but just seemed a bit strange to me, but I know very little about shooting.
I sadly have to hand over my Murican card and profess to not being an overtly experienced gunman....however, I watch a ton of Hickok45, so that's basically the same thing, right? :lol:

I'd say it's certainly possible for a temple graze...but I find it more probable a person with Butler's experience would have actually landed a hit or more on Arno. Perhaps nothing immediately fatal, but at least something to knock him down. But then, Arno was probably wearing a vest anyway so... *shrugs*
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by Battery » Mon 27th Jul 2020

Re: the age gap situation, it is a big one! I remember saying something during one of the other books about how it seemed odd that Butler saw Artemis as a brother rather than a son, but it makes more sense thinking about how young his actual sister is.

I'm not sure what to think about whether the parents were in the picture while Juliet was a kid; it would seem like they're probably not the warmest and fuzziest family given the way Butler views his own sentimentality at least somewhat as a weakness, fairly often, so it wouldn't be too surprising if he took care of her that way because the parents just didn't really want to. Could even be some of how he ended up a little "softer" than other Butlers/bodyguards, come to think of it.

I always sort of assumed that their father was European and their mother was Asian, and assumed those were the same two people, but it's totally possible that they're blended further back in their family tree than that on one side of the family (or that they have different mothers who were both Asian, etc)
artymon I\/ wrote:Hm....think we found another difference. In my OG Yankee copy, I distinctly recall Mulch making the joke he'd be selling cookies for Girl Scouts. Here, he says Girl Guides. ??????????
My several years of watching tons of British TV taught me that the Girl Guides and the Girl Scouts are pretty much exactly the same thing, just with a different name :lol: It even makes sense for him to be saying either one, considering he's from Ireland (or, you know, thereabouts) but in America, lol

Anyway! Not a lot of notes from my end this week

Chapter 4
  • I wonder how many Butlers there are. How many branches of the family, etc. and if they have any cousins out there currently. Seems like we would have heard of them, but maybe they're not the type to keep up with extended family
  • If they do have living family, especially older living family, I wonder what they think of Juliet's decision to train at Madam Ko's
  • Juliet is dealing with the specter of actually killing people, just like Artemis
Chapter 5
  • I can hear the exaggerated Chicago accents
  • Artemis near the end of TAI described Mulch as a friend, now Mulch is thinking of Artemis as the closest thing he has to a friend. A little bit of a mismatch there, which is interesting. Arty has a lower threshold for what counts as a friend, maybe. Comes from having less experience with having friends? Doesn't seem like Mulch has had many either, though
  • He seems so upset to be thinking of Artemis as maybe someone who could be like a friend. I love this group of cactus people forcibly dragging each other into friendship against all of their will
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by Iris » Tue 28th Jul 2020

artymon I\/ wrote:
Sun 26th Jul 2020
I'll even venture that perhaps Juliet's birth was complicated and their mother did not survive the childbirth. Afterward, perhaps the grief of losing his wife(?) was to much for Papa Butler and he either left (unlikely) or fell ill shortly afterward and died?

Or perhaps Butler and Juliet are just test tube clone babies.

What's your guys' take?
Considering the line of work every single Butler is expected to follow, killed/died during duty seems the most likely cause of death to me.
I also imagine their choice to wait with a second child until the first one was a grown-up might be a practical one, rather than an accident. They don't have a job that allows a lot of family life. By waiting this long, you can give (if you stay alive) each child more attention, as the older one will no longer need parenting. It also prevents sibling rivalry when both have to learn martial arts at the same time, which would undoubtedly result in accidents.

Onto notes:
Chapter 4
- That training sounds very extreme. I wonder if it's this tough because she's almost graduated or whether they make 10-yearolds do this too...
- Madam Ko very accurately knows that Principals ignore sound advice.
- If you're unable to shake off a street vendor without killing him, while having all the skills described just a page or two ago, it's fair that you lose the whole assignment. And she got too cocky while fighting those man. I agree with Madam Ko she's not ready.
- I'm glad Madam Ko let her go anyway. I think it's out of respect for Butler.

Chapter 5
- I like how Spiro is respectful of the name Artemis chose instead of rebranding it to make it his own.
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artymon I\/ wrote:
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Can we infer from the Pearson interaction that Spiro cares just marginally about his employees? Or that he recognizes the value of a good employee and keeping his respective business, namely legal and illegal, separate?
He does have them on a dental plan.
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He seems so upset to be thinking of Artemis as maybe someone who could be like a friend. I love this group of cactus people forcibly dragging each other into friendship against all of their will[/list]
It's brilliant :D
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by artymon I\/ » Fri 31st Jul 2020

Iris wrote:
Tue 28th Jul 2020
Onto notes:
Chapter 4
- If you're unable to shake off a street vendor without killing him, while having all the skills described just a page or two ago, it's fair that you lose the whole assignment. And she got too cocky while fighting those man. I agree with Madam Ko she's not ready.
- I'm glad Madam Ko let her go anyway. I think it's out of respect for Butler.
It'd be curious to see what Madame Ko's thoughts are! You reckon some part of her is utterly devastated by the implication of "Domovoi needs you"?
And I agree, if Juliet wasn't able to shake off the vendor dude, she wasn't ready. Remember back in the first book how Butler straight up snaps some pickpocket's fingers without a word?

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artymon I\/ wrote:
Sun 26th Jul 2020
Can we infer from the Pearson interaction that Spiro cares just marginally about his employees? Or that he recognizes the value of a good employee and keeping his respective business, namely legal and illegal, separate?
He does have them on a dental plan.
I lol'd a little too hard at that. :lol:


Battery wrote:
Mon 27th Jul 2020
Chapter 4
  • Juliet is dealing with the specter of actually killing people, just like Artemis


Good catch!!
Battery wrote:
Mon 27th Jul 2020
He seems so upset to be thinking of Artemis as maybe someone who could be like a friend. I love this group of cactus people forcibly dragging each other into friendship against all of their will[/list]
C a c t u s p e o p l e XDDDD

...it's funny because it's accurate.

I'm not sure what to make of the differing definitions of friends for those two.
In a way, they're cut from...maybe not the exact same cloth, but definitely from the same wardrobe. They're resourceful, know how to use a situation to their advantage, and have some social ineptitudes.
Is Artemis's friendship bar set too low? Is Mulch's too high? Are they just unable to recognize the value of the other?
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

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artymon I\/ wrote:
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I'm not sure what to make of the differing definitions of friends for those two.
In a way, they're cut from...maybe not the exact same cloth, but definitely from the same wardrobe. They're resourceful, know how to use a situation to their advantage, and have some social ineptitudes.
Is Artemis's friendship bar set too low? Is Mulch's too high? Are they just unable to recognize the value of the other?
I imagine it might be because Mulch has been without friends for a couple of centuries, while Artemis is still a kid. Any habit a fairy has will be harder to break, because they will have been doing it for years.

I don't have many notes on this week's chapters, but at least I managed to write them on time~

Chapter 6
- "What could go wrong?" Famous last words.
- I was gonna say Mulch is on a roll with dealing with Loafers, but I wrote that note too soon.
- Juliet is great.

Chapter 7
- Mulch really isn't on a roll at all.
- Root and Mulch have a great relationship. Root wants to yell at someone to relieve his own stress and Mulch likes annoying Root.
- The fairy folk have great laser technology.
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by artymon I\/ » Tue 4th Aug 2020

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I don't have many notes on this week's chapters, but at least I managed to write them on time~


:oops:


Chapter 6: Assault on Fowl Manor

  • I suppose we can start this off with the Big Moral Question: Would you rather be alive but disabled/not yourself or accept death? Did Artemis make the right call? Looking back, it's quite an emotional reaction for him. Not calculated or "necessary" to some scheme.
  • All those menacing teeth images are probably where I developed my image of Mulch as Warwick Davis circa Leprechaun.
  • Tis utterly hysterical he’s able to so easily cow Loafers
  • Jeez, lookit that, Butler's back to consciousness not even a minute and he’s already doing security checks. That's what got you hurt in the first place! It's like that's his job or something.
  • Despite it all, I kind of feel a little bad for Loafers. He really had the deck stacked against him from the start. And can’t we all relate to suddenly having an excessive amount of witnesses popping up to view your nefarious wrong doings?
Chapter 7: Best Laid Plans
  • This probably silly to ask, but where is Angeline during all this? Still at the hospital? I suppose that says a lot that she trusts Artemis and Butler not to get up to much mischief in her absence.
  • If gangs bother you, Root, You could say....the boys are back in town :awesome:
  • You're Welcome :D
  • Relocating Loafers seems a tad extreme. Yes, he's a "bad guy" no doubt. Zero chance of a "natural" redemption arc for him. He could still be missed. I think later on Mulch alludes that he "took care of him" but certainly there'd be other people that might have missed him? What if he had a wife and kid somewhere? A sickly person that depended on his aid? (I say person as I'm assuming he most likely doesn't have family in the States.) Wouldn't using the mesmer to see what he knew/convince him to leave Arty alone be sufficient?


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Chapter 6
- "What could go wrong?" Famous last words.


Bahaha, right? Nice work jinxing it, Artemis xD
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- Juliet is great.


Totally.
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Chapter 7
- Mulch really isn't on a roll at all.


I mean, he had the start of a roll going...then the boulder rolled back onto him. xD
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- Root and Mulch have a great relationship. Root wants to yell at someone to relieve his own stress and Mulch likes annoying Root.
*hysterically snickers whilst debating to unleash a potentially inappropriate observation that may have some actual merit*
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Iris wrote:
Sun 2nd Aug 2020
- Root and Mulch have a great relationship. Root wants to yell at someone to relieve his own stress and Mulch likes annoying Root.
:lol: They're great for each other
artymon I\/ wrote:
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Jeez, lookit that, Butler's back to consciousness not even a minute and he’s already doing security checks. That's what got you hurt in the first place! It's like that's his job or something.
For real, less than a day after the original incident, again he leaves Artemis alone, and again it backfires! Lucky Juliet was there to save him this time, but you'd think he would learn :lol:
artymon I\/ wrote:Relocating Loafers seems a tad extreme. Yes, he's a "bad guy" no doubt. Zero chance of a "natural" redemption arc for him. He could still be missed. I think later on Mulch alludes that he "took care of him" but certainly there'd be other people that might have missed him? What if he had a wife and kid somewhere? A sickly person that depended on his aid? (I say person as I'm assuming he most likely doesn't have family in the States.) Wouldn't using the mesmer to see what he knew/convince him to leave Arty alone be sufficient?
Yeah, I was wondering about family too. I guess the logic is that if they'd just let him loose, the Antonellis or Spiro might have found him and asked why he didn't finish the job/sent him out again, which wouldn't have gone well, but... it does seem a bit extreme!

Chapter 6
  • Imagining this scene from the security guard's perspective is amazing.
  • It's funny, with this book there are some characters (Spiro and Blunt, for example) who I remembered even though I didn't recall much of what they do beyond this point in the plot. Then there are characters like Carla Frazetti, who I didn't remember exactly, but once I read about them it comes back to me and I can't believe I forgot. Then there's Loafers. I don't remember a single thing about Loafers.
  • Artemis volunteering to prepare food for his friend. Aww.
  • "Assault on Fowl Manor" is, in hindsight, a hilarious chapter title considering the contrast to the first book
Chapter 7
  • "Holly—Captain Short." We see you, Artemis.
  • Root has not been convinced to join the group chat, yet
  • Honestly though, if you don't have any family or close friends, the whole relocation business doesn't sound half bad. But only if you don't have family. I hope they checked on that while we weren't looking.
  • Turns out, Loafers also doesn't remember a thing about Loafers!
We're through part 1! Woah! :D I had forgotten by now that this book was split into two parts, it's fun that the break ended up exactly halfway through our schedule. Nicely done, Cabby :awesome:

The break between part 1 and 2 seems like it would make a decent spot to take a break, if anybody wants some extra time to catch up. I'm sure we'd all be 100% fine with waiting for anyone who'd like a week :)
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by Battery » Sun 9th Aug 2020

Hey hey happy weekend! :) I managed to get this in on Saturday for once, just under the wire :lol:

So! Kicking off the second part of the book! I took some silly notes this time, apologies
  • Artemis Sr. said ♫ son, when / you grow up / would you be / the savior of the broken... ♫
  • Holly and Juliet have a pretty good back-and-forth going. It's too bad we didn't get to see more of their dynamic.
  • The Spiro Needle, more like the Spire-o, eh? Eh? :awesome:
  • Really, the Academy taught Juliet to do her makeup in under five minutes, but not so much as walk in heels? Feels like it would be a useful skill if she ever had to blend in somewhere fancy
  • I love the pattern of people underestimating Juliet
  • Another pair of characters that always reminds me of a specific FGer. Wonder how <3PEXnCHIPS is doing these days.
  • I keep picturing a real-life tech billionaire as Spiro, which is probably not great
  • Short of a miracle. Ha
On a semi-related note: Guys! Whoever gets the next reply in this thread will have the hundredth post :') Thanks so much for this whole experience, it's been a blast <3
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