I think Ash's point is that people do that in God's name, quite often. In many wars, both sides believe that (their) God is on their side. Even if they believe in the same God, and even if both sides do equally bad things. If your God doesn't want people to think this, then how come He doesn't tell them to stop it?
According to your viewpoint, God created us. I don't know if this is right or wrong. But if we were going to be bad, then how come He let us live? If He doesn't like atheists, surely an all-powerful being knows how we will turn out. Why doesn't he stop us being atheist from the start?
And a theological question: you say that God gave us the decision to take this path in life. What is the soul like before it enters a person? Just curious
I'm really sorry if I offend anyone...
Yes, during war both sides think that god is on their side. But he's not always on their side. Some people go and take over other places just because they want to and they say that God is on their side, but in fact he's not.
He let us live because, as I said, this is a test. He will punish those who didn't do good.
In our Quraan it says that god said to the angels that he was going to make people live in earth. The angels said to him, will you make people who corrupt in it and make people shed blood while we pray to you?
God said that he knows what they don't know.
God created Adam and asked the angels to bow to him. The devil didn't claiming that he had created Adam from clay and that he (the devil) was from fire, so he wouldn't bow to Adam claiming that he was better than a clay being. (yes, satan was an angel, in fact he used to be one of the best worshipers) God said he was going to punish Satan, but he begged him not to telling him to delay it. God agreed and said he would put everyone he followed in it as well.
God put Adam in heaven (whether it's THE heaven or a different one I'm not sure. long story) and created Eve to be his wife. He told them not to eat from a tree (some say it's a virtual tree, this needs very profound study) but satan said to them that God just didn't want them to eat from the tree because it would make them great. They ate from it and god sent them to earth telling them to spread good and God's ways.
They had two sons. One was jealous of the other, so he killed him. That's how evil was originated. So it wasn't God's fault, and that's why god let us live.
About the soul thingy, some people say that you get to chose before you're born, but some no. It's because the Quraan is so thick and the words are very complex, and at the time it was given to the prophet Muhammad (PBUH), the language was a little more difficult, so the quotes he said take time to interpret.
There is another belief that there is a world where all the souls are before they're born. It explains deja vous. In that world you see the other souls and some of their actions, which explains why you might say you've seen this happen or seen someone before.
I have no clue what it looks like, and I don't think too many do either
In case your asking a question I used to ask: if God knows what's going to happen, then why didn't he just give us what we deserve before he created us one by one through centuries. why not just from the beginning create us all, then throw some of us in hell and lead the others to heaven?
the answer is: if I went and put my little brothers (3 year old twins :3) on time out,they'd ask me what they did. I'd tell them that I know that they were going to do something wrong. They'd call me unjust. Same with God. If he just put one of us in hell, we'd ask him why, and he would say I know you were going to do this and that, and we'd call him unfair because we don't know what he knows.
lackingimagination wrote:i'm sort of in neutral territory on this one. but there's something i have a problem with here: nearly all the atheist vs theist fights i've seen on the internet have ended with all the atheists ganging up on one theist and saying they're stupid for believing what they do, being snobbish and rude, etc. actually, i've never seen it happen to anyone who isn't a christian, funnily enough. :/
i really don't like that.
Really? Never seen it happen to a Muslim? Me neither actually
You don't like seeing that happen? I don't of course, but having this conversation is the least I can do for God.
what do you mean you're nuetral? you're not sure which you believe in?